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John Brown

So you are in favor of citizens calling 911 for future lighting disputes? Was she being sarcastic? I missed the discussion last week.

There is a number for non-emergency citizen problems.

I would have rather seen the mayor veto this.

Who enforces this? Police on the night shift who have their hands full with much more serious matters.

Ed. note: John, I voted against the ordinance and spoke against it. Four months ago, I wrote that this thing was vague and unenforceable.

Councilwoman Brown was making a point after the vote that those council members (Pape, Shoaff, Bender, Goldner and Hines) - and now Mayor Henry - who supported the creation of this new vague offense are the ones responsible for citizens having to call 911 after the hours that 311 is closed. After all, this new offense will be taking place at night.

The whole ordinance is designed to take police away from more crucial duties. The Mayor missed the point - he and the council members who voted in favor are the ones who will be causing 911 to be used for violations of this ordinance.

Bobett Kelley

Mayor Henry is out of touch.

In fact, his signed amendment is....
Out of bounds. How dare the City or County
create a law as messed-up as this. Let the Community/ Associations determine lighting.
In fact, Mr. Henry work on more responsible leadership that is true to the City.

When did we get to be like Nazi, Germany?


Scott Spaulding

Godwin'd at comment #2. Nice.

Chris

I don't live in the city, but worked in the 9-1-1 center for nearly a decade.

I'm not fully educated on the ordinance, but once again city government has proven that they are out of touch with their own systems.

Granted 9-1-1 is for 'emergencies', but for them to direct people to call 427-1222 is still ridiculous. Why, you might ask? Because they ring in the SAME place.

Government and citizens in general have a tendency to lay it (responsibilities) on police all too often.

Ed. note: Last name of commenter known but not published.

Nick Metel

It seems to me that by making her statement, the councilwoman was almost daring the public to call 911 to report violations of the ordinance.

For if enough people do so, and enough police resources are directed away from more critical duties as a result, then those who opposed the ordinance may, at some unfortunate expense, be well positioned to cast a stone or two in the direction of those who did not oppose it.

If such was the motivation, then by referring to the councilwoman's statement as being irresponsible, Mayor Henry may have been, in fact, quite kind.

Mike Harvey

"Hours for the 311 call center are 7:30 a.m.-5:30 p.m. Monday-Friday." - City Website

So people can call 311 in the occasional darkness of the early hours and during a solar eclipse.

I thought I heard Didier say on the radio that the city has no device to measure what a violation would be.

I guess those who celebrate Christmas in June are out of luck.

MRev. Kenneth White, Jnr.

Half the time when you do call the 311 service after hours they dont return the phone call. Second if this is going to be enforced much like the smoking ban isnt by offenses being reported with no consideration of vindictive neighbors or legal ability to issue a citation, how fast will it take before the law or any citation is overturned by a court?

Mike Harvey

Ok, just kidding about X-mas lights in June. But little things like buying, I assume, a bunch of devices to measure lumens add up... unless only one is going to be bought and it is shared... lol

Nashville, In. has a lighting ordinance here:

http://icole.home.att.net/nshvl_ord.html

Mike Harvey

$3145 for 1 luminance meter here:

http://www.tequipment.net/MinoltaLS100.asp

Dawn Wilson

Instead of light regulation, I'd like to have "lite" regulation.

Frank Reister

I applaud the the Mayor's action. True, every property owner has the right to light his or her property, but also conversely they also have the right not to light it and the right for their neighbor not to light it for them. Outdoor lighting has long been overdue for regulation. A national lighting code is in order, much like the National Electrical Code, so that a patchwork of individual ordinances can be replaced with best practices (see the IESNA/IDA model lighting ordinance).

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